It looks like this is a web page, not a feed. I looked for a feed associated with this page, but couldn't find one. Please enter the address of your feed to validate.

Source: https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417

  1. <!doctype html>
  2. <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en" prefix="og: http://ogp.me/ns#">
  3.  
  4.  <head>
  5.    <meta charset="utf-8">
  6.    <meta name="applicable-device" content="pc,mobile">
  7.    <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">
  8.    <title>Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence #989959101563 (2025-01-31)</title>
  9.    <link rel="canonical" href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417">
  10.    <link rel="stylesheet" href="https://fonts.googleapis.com/css2?family=Poppins:wght@400;700&display=swap">
  11.    <link rel="stylesheet" href="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/css/style.css">
  12.    <script src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/js/lazysizes.min.js" async></script>
  13.    <link rel="shortcut icon" href="/favicon.ico">
  14.    <!-- Open Graph Metadata -->
  15.    <meta property="og:type" content="article" />
  16.    <meta property="og:title" content="Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence" />
  17.    <meta property="og:description" content="Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence #989959101563 (2025-01-31)" />
  18.    <meta property="og:url" content="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" />
  19.    <meta property="og:site_name" content="mit-edu.top" />
  20.    <meta property="og:image" content="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/post/19.jpg" />
  21.    <meta property="og:article:published_time" content="2025-01-31T01:28:02Z" />
  22.    <meta property="og:article:author" content="Dr. Amanda Evans" />
  23.    <meta property="og:article:section" content="mit-edu.top" />
  24.    <meta property="og:article:tag" content="Games, Mobile Games, Video Games" />
  25.    <!-- Schema.org -->
  26.    <script type="application/ld+json">{
  27.            "@context": "https://schema.org",
  28.            "@type": "ScholarlyArticle",
  29.            "headline": "Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence #989959101563 (2025-01-31)",
  30.            "author": {
  31.                "@type": "Person",
  32.                "name": "Dr. Amanda Evans",
  33.                "affiliation": {
  34.                    "@type": "Organization",
  35.                    "name": "mit-edu.top"
  36.                },
  37.                "url": "https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417"
  38.            },
  39.            "datePublished": "2025-01-31T01:28:02Z",
  40.            "image": "https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/post/19.jpg",
  41.            "journal": {
  42.                "@type": "Periodical",
  43.                "name": "mit-edu.top",
  44.                "issn": "10.1069/989959101563"
  45.            },
  46.            "publisher": {
  47.                "@type": "Organization",
  48.                "name": "mit-edu.top",
  49.                "url": "https://195037.mit-edu.top"
  50.            },
  51.            "doi": "989959101563",
  52.            "abstract": "Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence #989959101563 (2025-01-31)",
  53.            "citation": {
  54.                "@type": "CreativeWork",
  55.                "name": "Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence",
  56.                "author": "Dr. Amanda Evans",
  57.                "datePublished": "2025-01-31T01:28:02Z",
  58.                "url": "https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417"
  59.            }
  60.        }
  61.    </script>
  62. </head>
  63.  
  64. <body>
  65.    <div class="site-mobile-menu site-navbar-target">
  66.        <div class="site-mobile-menu-header">
  67.            <div class="site-mobile-menu-close">
  68.                <span class="icofont-close js-menu-toggle"></span>
  69.            </div>
  70.        </div>
  71.        <div class="site-mobile-menu-body"></div>
  72.    </div>
  73.    <nav class="site-nav">
  74.        <div class="container">
  75.            <div class="site-navigation">
  76.                <div class="row">
  77.                    <div class="col-md-6 text-center order-1 order-md-2 mb-3 mb-md-0">
  78.                        <a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top" class="logo m-0 text-uppercase">mit-edu.top</a>
  79.                    </div>
  80.                    <div class="col-md-3 order-3 order-md-1">
  81.                    </div>
  82.                </div>
  83.            </div>
  84.        </div>
  85.    </nav>
  86.    <div class="section post-section pt-5">
  87.        <div class="container">
  88.            <div class="row justify-content-center">
  89.                <div class="col-lg-8">
  90.                    <div class="text-center">
  91.                        <img src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/user/12.jpg" alt="Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence" title="Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence" class="author-pic img-fluid rounded-circle mx-auto">
  92.                    </div>
  93.                    <span class="d-block text-center">Amanda Evans</span>
  94.                    <span class="date d-block text-center small text-uppercase text-black-50 mb-5">2025-01-31</span>
  95.                    <h2 class="heading text-center">Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence</h2>
  96.                    <p class="lead mb-4 text-center">Thanks to Amanda Evans for contributing the article "Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence".
  97.                    </p>
  98.                    <img src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/post/19.jpg" alt="Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence" title="Games as Experimental Platforms for Studying Collective Intelligence" class="img-fluid rounded mb-4 lazyload">
  99.                    <p>Gaming communities thrive in digital spaces, bustling forums, social media hubs, and streaming platforms where players converge to share strategies, discuss game lore, showcase fan art, and forge connections with fellow enthusiasts. These vibrant communities serve as hubs of creativity, camaraderie, and collective celebration of all things gaming-related.</p>
  100. <p>Gaming culture has evolved into a vibrant and interconnected community where players from diverse backgrounds and cultures converge. They share strategies, forge lasting alliances, and engage in friendly competition, turning virtual friendships into real-world connections that span continents. Beyond gaming itself, this global community often rallies around charitable causes, organizing fundraising events, and using their collective influence for social good, showcasing the positive impact of gaming on society.</p>
  101. <p>This research examines the role of geolocation-based augmented reality (AR) games in transforming how urban spaces are perceived and interacted with by players. The study investigates how AR mobile games such as Pokémon Go integrate physical locations into gameplay, creating a hybrid digital-physical experience. The paper explores the implications of geolocation-based games for urban planning, public space use, and social interaction, considering both the positive and negative effects of blending virtual experiences with real-world environments. It also addresses ethical concerns regarding data privacy, surveillance, and the potential for gamifying everyday spaces in ways that affect public life.</p>
  102. <p>This paper systematically reviews the growing body of literature on the use of mobile games as interventions in mental health treatment, particularly focusing on anxiety, depression, and cognitive disorders. The study examines various approaches to game-based therapy, including cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) and mindfulness-based games, assessing their effectiveness in improving emotional well-being and mental resilience. The paper proposes a conceptual framework that integrates psychological theories with game design principles to develop therapeutic mobile games. Furthermore, the study explores the ethical implications of using mobile games for mental health interventions, such as user privacy, data security, and informed consent.</p>
  103. <p>This study applies neuromarketing techniques to analyze how mobile gaming companies assess and influence player preferences, focusing on cognitive and emotional responses to in-game stimuli. By using neuroimaging, eye-tracking, and biometric sensors, the research provides insights into how game mechanics such as reward systems, narrative engagement, and visual design elements affect players’ neurological responses. The paper explores the implications of these findings for mobile game developers, with a particular emphasis on optimizing player engagement, retention, and monetization strategies through the application of neuroscientific principles.</p>
  104.  
  105.                    <p>
  106.                    <a href="/redirect/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">Link</a>
  107.                    </p>
  108.                    <p><a href="https://www.linegames.org/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  109. <a href="https://www.iliiili.com/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  110. <a href="https://www.digwow.net/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  111. <a href="https://www.free-giftcodes.com/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  112. <a href="https://www.gifthub.com.ru/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  113. <a href="https://516748744840-edu.iliiili.com/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  114. <a href="https://607119037459-edu.digwow.net/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  115. <a href="https://236569920505-edu.free-giftcodes.com/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  116. <a href="https://370864835546-edu.gifthub.com.ru/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  117. <a href="https://550305338995-gov.iliiili.com/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  118. <a href="https://888938576562-gov.digwow.net/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  119. <a href="https://045609265295-gov.free-giftcodes.com/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  120. <a href="https://828727305109-gov.gifthub.com.ru/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  121. <a href="https://957513828388-gov-edu.iliiili.com/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  122. <a href="https://304834327209-gov-edu.digwow.net/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  123. <a href="https://930550446207-gov-edu.free-giftcodes.com/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  124. <a href="https://589327258732-gov-edu.gifthub.com.ru/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  125. <a href="https://274995999944-edu.iliiili.com/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  126. <a href="https://099619478310-edu.digwow.net/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  127. <a href="https://145019236736-edu.free-giftcodes.com/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  128. <a href="https://225210629581-edu.gifthub.com.ru/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  129. <a href="https://529360485086-gov.iliiili.com/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  130. <a href="https://910683316937-gov.digwow.net/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  131. <a href="https://909958011048-gov.free-giftcodes.com/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  132. <a href="https://196695296365-gov.gifthub.com.ru/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  133. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?697291081087&amp;url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  134. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?998093802562&amp;url=https://naver998093802562-edu.digwow.net" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  135. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?092628298927&amp;url=https://naver092628298927-edu.iliiili.com" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  136. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?036234933743&amp;url=https://naver036234933743-edu.1717173.xyz" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  137. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?133389699851&amp;url=https://naver133389699851-edu.gifthub.com.ru" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  138. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?680573286900&amp;url=https://naver680573286900-gov.digwow.net" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  139. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?393777081329&amp;url=https://naver393777081329-gov.iliiili.com" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  140. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?388274442490&amp;url=https://naver388274442490-gov.1717173.xyz" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  141. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?828418448825&amp;url=https://naver828418448825-gov.gifthub.com.ru" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  142. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?524766695522&amp;url=https://naver524766695522-gov-edu.digwow.net" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  143. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?066216398139&amp;url=https://naver066216398139-gov-edu.iliiili.com" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  144. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?984866328794&amp;url=https://naver984866328794-gov-edu.1717173.xyz" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  145. <a href="https://link.naver.com/bridge?464916223854&amp;url=https://naver464916223854-gov-edu.gifthub.com.ru" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  146. <a href="https://blog-583397396772.gifthub.news/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  147. <a href="https://blog-404384820322.jp-edu.sbs/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  148. <a href="https://blog-944339787127.kr-edu.sbs/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  149. <a href="https://blog-956534885323.krlinkedin.sbs/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  150. <a href="https://blog-706839034568.mit-edu.sbs/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  151. <a href="https://blog-546269055719.mit-edu.buzz/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  152. <a href="https://blog-197629900684.mit-edu.tech/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  153. <a href="https://blog-688045899525.mit-edu.site/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  154. <a href="https://blog-421092912774.mit-edu.top/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  155. <a href="https://blog-774732291006.usa-gov.top/" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  156. <a href="https://research-585437080280.mit-edu.pp.ua/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  157. <a href="https://research-481658125509.harvard-edu.pp.ua/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  158. <a href="https://research-829039687231.stanford-edu.pp.ua/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  159. <a href="https://research-049068106271.cambridge-edu.pp.ua/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  160. <a href="https://research-184745637641.berkeley-edu.pp.ua/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  161. <a href="https://research-609433537533.oxford-edu.pp.ua/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  162. <a href="https://research-354072190665-edu.wwv.pp.ua/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  163. <a href="https://research-139993064907-edu.sean.pp.ua/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  164. <a href="https://research-260014359857-edu.line.pp.ua/?url=https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/9308526417" target="_blank" class="custom-link">External link</a>
  165. </p>
  166.                    <div class="row mt-5 pt-5 border-top">
  167.                    </div>
  168.                </div>
  169.            </div>
  170.        </div>
  171.    </div>
  172.    <div class="section pb-0">
  173.        <div class="container">
  174.            <div class="row">
  175.                <div class="col-lg-12">
  176.                    <h2 class="heading">Related</h2>
  177.                </div>
  178.            </div>
  179.            <div class="row justify-content-center">
  180.                <div class="col-lg-12">
  181.                    <div class="post-entry d-md-flex small-horizontal mb-5">
  182.                        <div class="me-md-5 thumbnail mb-3 mb-md-0">
  183.                            <a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/5132640978">
  184.                            <img src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/post/19.jpg" alt="Game-Based Interventions for Enhancing Digital Literacy in Marginalized Communities" title="Game-Based Interventions for Enhancing Digital Literacy in Marginalized Communities" class="img-fluid lazyload">
  185.                            </a>
  186.                        </div>
  187.                        <div class="content">
  188.                            <div class="post-meta mb-3">
  189.                                <a href="https://blog-5132640978.mit-edu.top/post/5132640978/" target="_blank">
  190.                                <span class="date">2025-01-31</span>
  191.                                </a>
  192.                            </div>
  193.                            <h2 class="heading"><a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/5132640978">Game-Based Interventions for Enhancing Digital Literacy in Marginalized Communities</a></h2>
  194.                            <p class="info">This research investigates the ethical and psychological implications of microtransaction systems in mobile games, particularly in free-to-play models. The study examines how microtransactions, which allow players to purchase in-game items, cosmetics, or advantages, influence player behavior, spending habits, and overall satisfaction. Drawing on ethical theory and psychological models of consumer decision-making, the paper explores how microtransactions contribute to the phenomenon of “pay-to-win,” exploitation of vulnerable players, and player frustration. The research also evaluates the psychological impact of loot boxes, virtual currency, and in-app purchases, offering recommendations for ethical monetization practices that prioritize player well-being without compromising developer profitability.</p>
  195.                            <a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/5132640978" class="post-author d-flex align-items-center">
  196.                                <div class="author-pic">
  197.                                    <img src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/user/12.jpg" alt="Game-Based Interventions for Enhancing Digital Literacy in Marginalized Communities" title="Game-Based Interventions for Enhancing Digital Literacy in Marginalized Communities" class="lazyload">
  198.                                </div>
  199.                                <div class="text">
  200.                                    <strong>Anna Ross</strong>
  201.                                    <span>2025-01-31 published post</span>
  202.                                </div>
  203.                            </a>
  204.                        </div>
  205.                    </div>
  206.                </div>
  207.                <div class="col-lg-12">
  208.                    <div class="post-entry d-md-flex small-horizontal mb-5">
  209.                        <div class="me-md-5 thumbnail mb-3 mb-md-0">
  210.                            <a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/3705296814">
  211.                            <img src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/post/2.jpg" alt="Network Effects in Multiplayer Mobile Game Adoption: An Empirical Study" title="Network Effects in Multiplayer Mobile Game Adoption: An Empirical Study" class="img-fluid lazyload">
  212.                            </a>
  213.                        </div>
  214.                        <div class="content">
  215.                            <div class="post-meta mb-3">
  216.                                <a href="https://blog-3705296814.mit-edu.top/post/3705296814/" target="_blank">
  217.                                <span class="date">2025-01-31</span>
  218.                                </a>
  219.                            </div>
  220.                            <h2 class="heading"><a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/3705296814">Network Effects in Multiplayer Mobile Game Adoption: An Empirical Study</a></h2>
  221.                            <p class="info">This study explores the integration of narrative design and gameplay mechanics in mobile games, focusing on how immersive storytelling can enhance player engagement and emotional investment. The research investigates how developers use branching narratives, character development, and world-building elements to create compelling storylines that drive player interaction and decision-making. Drawing on narrative theory and interactive storytelling principles, the paper examines how different narrative structures—such as linear, non-linear, and emergent storytelling—affect player experience in mobile games. The research also discusses the role of player agency in shaping the narrative and the challenges of balancing narrative depth with gameplay accessibility in mobile games.</p>
  222.                            <a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/3705296814" class="post-author d-flex align-items-center">
  223.                                <div class="author-pic">
  224.                                    <img src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/user/1.jpg" alt="Network Effects in Multiplayer Mobile Game Adoption: An Empirical Study" title="Network Effects in Multiplayer Mobile Game Adoption: An Empirical Study" class="lazyload">
  225.                                </div>
  226.                                <div class="text">
  227.                                    <strong>Daniel Hall</strong>
  228.                                    <span>2025-01-31 published post</span>
  229.                                </div>
  230.                            </a>
  231.                        </div>
  232.                    </div>
  233.                </div>
  234.                <div class="col-lg-12">
  235.                    <div class="post-entry d-md-flex small-horizontal mb-5">
  236.                        <div class="me-md-5 thumbnail mb-3 mb-md-0">
  237.                            <a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/5209368714">
  238.                            <img src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/post/2.jpg" alt="Choice Overload and Its Impact on Player Spending in Freemium Games" title="Choice Overload and Its Impact on Player Spending in Freemium Games" class="img-fluid lazyload">
  239.                            </a>
  240.                        </div>
  241.                        <div class="content">
  242.                            <div class="post-meta mb-3">
  243.                                <a href="https://blog-5209368714.mit-edu.top/post/5209368714/" target="_blank">
  244.                                <span class="date">2025-01-31</span>
  245.                                </a>
  246.                            </div>
  247.                            <h2 class="heading"><a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/5209368714">Choice Overload and Its Impact on Player Spending in Freemium Games</a></h2>
  248.                            <p class="info">This study examines the growing trend of fitness-related mobile games, which use game mechanics to motivate players to engage in physical activities. It evaluates the effectiveness of these games in promoting healthier behaviors and increasing physical activity levels. The paper also investigates the psychological factors behind players’ motivation to exercise through games and explores the future potential of fitness gamification in public health campaigns.</p>
  249.                            <a href="https://195037.mit-edu.top/post/5209368714" class="post-author d-flex align-items-center">
  250.                                <div class="author-pic">
  251.                                    <img src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/user/9.jpg" alt="Choice Overload and Its Impact on Player Spending in Freemium Games" title="Choice Overload and Its Impact on Player Spending in Freemium Games" class="lazyload">
  252.                                </div>
  253.                                <div class="text">
  254.                                    <strong>Jacob Murphy</strong>
  255.                                    <span>2025-01-31 published post</span>
  256.                                </div>
  257.                            </a>
  258.                        </div>
  259.                    </div>
  260.                </div>
  261.            </div>
  262.        </div>
  263.    </div>
  264.    <div class="py-5 bg-light mx-md-3 sec-subscribe">
  265.        <div class="container">
  266.            <div class="row">
  267.                <div class="col-lg-12">
  268.                    <h2 class="h4 fw-bold">Subscribe to newsletter</h2>
  269.                </div>
  270.            </div>
  271.            <form class="row">
  272.                <div class="col-md-8">
  273.                    <div class="mb-3 mb-md-0">
  274.                        <input type="email" class="form-control" placeholder="Enter your email">
  275.                    </div>
  276.                </div>
  277.                <div class="col-md-4 d-grid">
  278.                    <input type="submit" class="btn btn-primary" value="Subscribe">
  279.                </div>
  280.            </form>
  281.        </div>
  282.    </div>
  283.    <div class="site-footer">
  284.        <div class="container">
  285.            <div class="row justify-content-center copyright">
  286.                <div class="col-lg-7 text-center">
  287.                    <div class="widget">
  288.                        <p>Copyright &copy;
  289.                            <script>document.write(new Date().getFullYear());</script> All rights reserved.
  290.                        </p>
  291. <p>
  292.    < Top VPS Hosting Choice ><br>
  293.    <a href="https://evolution-host.com?ref=DQgZ6P" target="_blank">
  294.        <img src="https://x.mit-edu.top/static/images/evolution-host.png" alt="Evolution Host" title="Evolution Host" class="evhost lazyload">
  295.    </a>
  296. </p>
  297.                    </div>
  298.                </div>
  299.            </div>
  300.        </div>
  301.    </div>
  302. </body>
  303.  
  304. </html>
Copyright © 2002-9 Sam Ruby, Mark Pilgrim, Joseph Walton, and Phil Ringnalda