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I will do some tests in 1080p 60 and see how it goes.<br /><br />If I wanted to do 4K 60FPS is there a camcorder in this price range that can do that that also has a 1" sensor? </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> <div class="cleardiv"></div> </div> <div class="postfoot"> <div class="textcontrols"> <span class="postcontrols"> <img style="display:none" id="progress_2665427" src="images/misc/progress.gif" alt="" /> <a id="oldqrwq_2665427" class="newreply" href="newreply.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=newreply&p=2665427" rel="nofollow"><img id="quoteimg_2665427" src="images/buttons/trans_40b.png" alt="Quote" /> Quote</a> <span class="seperator"> </span> </span> <span class="postlinking"> </span> <hr /></div></div></div></li> <li class="postbitlegacy postbitim" id="post_2665433"><!-- see bottom of postbit.css for .userinfo .popupmenu styles --> <div class="posthead" style="padding-top:8px;padding-bottom:4px;"> <a name="post2665433" 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class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally Posted by <strong>4kblurayguru</strong> <a href="showthread.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&p=2665433#post2665433" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="View Post" /></a> </div> <div class="message">Change the shutter speed to 1/60 if you're hell bent on shooting 4K.</div> </div> </div></div> Not saying I HAVE to have 4K... just trying to get the highest resolution without sacrificing quality. There will be a lot of movement in most things I use it for.<br /><br />As for shutter speed... is this something I can do with this? Just looked through all the video settings and don't see anything for shutter speed. </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> <div class="cleardiv"></div> </div> <div class="postfoot"> <div class="textcontrols"> <span class="postcontrols"> <img style="display:none" id="progress_2665436" src="images/misc/progress.gif" alt="" /> <a id="oldqrwq_2665436" class="newreply" href="newreply.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=newreply&p=2665436" rel="nofollow"><img id="quoteimg_2665436" src="images/buttons/trans_40b.png" alt="Quote" /> Quote</a> <span class="seperator"> </span> </span> <span class="postlinking"> </span> <hr /></div></div></div></li> <li class="postbitlegacy postbitim" id="post_2665438"><!-- see bottom of postbit.css for .userinfo .popupmenu styles --> <div class="posthead" style="padding-top:8px;padding-bottom:4px;"> <a name="post2665438" href="threads/406729-Recording-volleyball-game-at-30FPS#post2665438"> <span class="postdate old"> <span class="date">21st Aug 2022 <span class="time">16:34</span></span> </span></a><!--<label for="post_imod_checkbox_2665438"> </label>--> <span class="nodecontrols"> <a href="threads/406729-Recording-volleyball-game-at-30FPS#post2665438" class="postcounter"><u>#7</u></a> </span> </div> <div class="postdetails"> <div class="userinfo"> <div class="username_container"> <div class="popupmenu memberaction" > <a class="username offline popupctrl black" href="members/198160-_Al_?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8" title="_Al_ is offline">_Al_</a> <ul class="popupbody popuphover memberaction_body"> <li class="left"> <a href="members/198160-_Al_?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8"> <img src="images/site_icons/profile.png" alt="" /> View Profile </a> </li> <li class="right"> <a href="search.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=finduser&userid=198160&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1" rel='nofollow'> <img src="images/site_icons/forum.png" alt="" /> View Forum Posts </a> </li> <li class="left"> <a href="private.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=newpm&u=198160" rel='nofollow'> <img src="images/site_icons/message.png" alt="" /> Private Message </a> </li> </ul></div> <img class="inlineimg onlinestatus" src="images/statusicon/user-offline.png" alt="_Al_ is offline" border="0" /> </div> <span class="usertitle"> Member </span> <hr /> <dl class="userinfo_extra"> <dt style="display:none;">Join Date</dt><dd >Feb 2011</dd> <dt style="display:none;"></dt> <dd ><a href="search.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=finduser&userid=198160&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1" title="Users posts: 4,255"><img title="Users posts: 4,255" alt="Search" src="/images/buttons/search2.png"/></a> <a href="private.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=newpm&u=198160" title="Send PM"><img src="images/site_icons/message.png" alt="PM"/></a></dd> </dl> <div class="imlinks"> </div> </div> <div class="postbody" > <div class="postrow"> <div class="content"> <div id="post_message_2665438"> <blockquote class="postcontent restore "> <div class="bbcode_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote"> <div class="quote_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote_container"></div> <div class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally Posted by <strong>lordhutt</strong> <a href="showthread.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&p=2665436#post2665436" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="View Post" /></a> </div> <div class="message">Not saying I HAVE to have 4K... just trying to get the highest resolution without sacrificing quality.</div> </div> </div></div> There is another side of it. Even if you shoot that event with 4k 60p using auto and big DOF (perhaps necessary), while encoding , you'd get gigantic bitrates for 4k. Sort of, be careful what you wish for. </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> <div class="cleardiv"></div> </div> <div class="postfoot"> <div class="textcontrols"> <span class="postcontrols"> <img style="display:none" id="progress_2665438" src="images/misc/progress.gif" alt="" /> <a id="oldqrwq_2665438" class="newreply" href="newreply.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=newreply&p=2665438" rel="nofollow"><img id="quoteimg_2665438" src="images/buttons/trans_40b.png" alt="Quote" /> Quote</a> <span class="seperator"> </span> </span> <span class="postlinking"> </span> <hr /></div></div></div></li> <li class="postbitlegacy postbitim" id="post_2665448"><!-- see bottom of postbit.css for .userinfo .popupmenu styles --> <div class="posthead" style="padding-top:8px;padding-bottom:4px;"> <a name="post2665448" href="threads/406729-Recording-volleyball-game-at-30FPS#post2665448"> <span class="postdate old"> <span class="date">21st Aug 2022 <span class="time">20:20</span></span> </span></a><!--<label for="post_imod_checkbox_2665448"> </label>--> <span class="nodecontrols"> <a href="threads/406729-Recording-volleyball-game-at-30FPS#post2665448" class="postcounter"><u>#8</u></a> </span> </div> <div class="postdetails"> <div class="userinfo"> <div class="username_container"> <div class="popupmenu memberaction" > <a class="username offline popupctrl black" href="members/111730-jagabo?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8" title="jagabo is offline">jagabo</a> <ul class="popupbody popuphover memberaction_body"> <li class="left"> <a href="members/111730-jagabo?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8"> <img src="images/site_icons/profile.png" alt="" /> View Profile </a> </li> <li class="right"> <a href="search.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=finduser&userid=111730&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1" rel='nofollow'> <img src="images/site_icons/forum.png" alt="" /> View Forum Posts </a> </li> <li class="left"> <a href="private.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=newpm&u=111730" rel='nofollow'> <img src="images/site_icons/message.png" alt="" /> Private Message </a> </li> </ul></div> <img class="inlineimg onlinestatus" src="images/statusicon/user-offline.png" alt="jagabo is offline" border="0" /> </div> <span class="usertitle"> Member </span> <hr /> <dl class="userinfo_extra"> <dt style="display:none;">Join Date</dt><dd >Dec 2005</dd> <dt style="display:none;"></dt> <dd ><a href="search.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=finduser&userid=111730&contenttype=vBForum_Post&showposts=1" title="Users posts: 58,953"><img title="Users posts: 58,953" alt="Search" src="/images/buttons/search2.png"/></a> <a href="javascript:void(0)" title="Computer details: i9 9900K, 32 GB DRAM, Win10 64 bit"><img title="Computer details: i9 9900K, 32 GB DRAM, Win10 64 bit" src="/images/buttons/computer.gif" alt="Comp" /></a><a href="private.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=newpm&u=111730" title="Send PM"><img src="images/site_icons/message.png" alt="PM"/></a></dd> </dl> <div class="imlinks"> </div> </div> <div class="postbody" > <div class="postrow"> <div class="content"> <div id="post_message_2665448"> <blockquote class="postcontent restore "> <div class="bbcode_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote"> <div class="quote_container"> <div class="bbcode_quote_container"></div> <div class="bbcode_postedby"> Originally Posted by <strong>lordhutt</strong> <a href="showthread.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&p=2665436#post2665436" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" src="images/buttons/viewpost-right.png" alt="View Post" /></a> </div> <div class="message">As for shutter speed... is this something I can do with this? Just looked through all the video settings and don't see anything for shutter speed.</div> </div> </div></div> It's also called exposure, or exposure time.<br /><br />Automatic modes on many cameras/camcorders have options for fixed aperture (you set the aperture and the camera adjusts the shutter speed to get a good picture), or fixed exposure time (you set the exposure time, the camera adjusts the aperture to get a good picture). </blockquote> </div> </div> </div> <div class="cleardiv"></div> </div> <div class="postfoot"> <div class="textcontrols"> <span class="postcontrols"> <img style="display:none" id="progress_2665448" src="images/misc/progress.gif" alt="" /> <a id="oldqrwq_2665448" class="newreply" href="newreply.php?s=a472ad2fbb12c6aa8b6d3bac92404ac8&do=newreply&p=2665448" rel="nofollow"><img id="quoteimg_2665448" src="images/buttons/trans_40b.png" alt="Quote" /> Quote</a> <span class="seperator"> </span> </span> <span class="postlinking"> </span> <hr /></div></div></div></li> 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