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piggybacking off the design and quality of Swarovski. The link is mostly a series of pushy adverts with no real testing results.....just "comparitive" image photos versus an NL.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="4" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/reply?quote=4587704" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this message" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/posts/4587704/quote">Reply</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList is-active"> <ul class="reactionSummary"> <li><span class="reaction reaction--small reaction--1" data-reaction-id="1"><i aria-hidden="true"></i><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="reaction-sprite js-reaction" alt="Like" title="Like" /></span></li> </ul> <span class="u-srOnly">Reactions:</span><a class="reactionsBar-link" href="/posts/4587704/reactions" data-xf-click="overlay" data-cache="false" rel="nofollow"><bdi>Bill Atwood</bdi>, <bdi>tehri</bdi>, <bdi>albie...</bdi> and 1 other person</a> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post js-inlineModContainer " data-author="exup" data-content="post-4587708" id="js-post-4587708" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/posts/4587708/"> <meta itemprop="parentItem" itemscope itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/" /> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-4587708"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section class="message-user" itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/members/exup.167235/"> <meta itemprop="url" content="https://www.birdforum.net/members/exup.167235/" /> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <a href="/members/exup.167235/" class="avatar avatar--m avatar--default avatar--default--dynamic" data-user-id="167235" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" style="background-color: #993366; 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The link is mostly a series of pushy adverts with no real testing results.....just "comparitive" image photos versus an NL. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div></blockquote>There is a lot of meaning in the small word " perhaps"....<br /><br />That's why open minded people will watch that space......</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/reply?quote=4587708" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting 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<div class="message-content js-messageContent"> <div class="message-userContent lbContainer js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-4587712" data-lb-caption-desc="PYRTLE · Jan 29, 2024 at 9:55 AM"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 167235" data-quote="exup" data-source="post: 4587708" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=4587708" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4587708">exup said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> There is a lot of meaning in the small word " perhaps"....<br /><br />That's why open minded people will watch that space...... </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div></blockquote>I'll be watching too.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/reply?quote=4587712" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this message" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/posts/4587712/quote">Reply</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post 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Be interesting to get reviews of actual examples from some of our regular posters. How close the performance is, how the fit and finish is. Given the expertise of the company, one wonders if they could exceed the existing performance, guess it depends what the design requirements are. <br />The days of my Nikon 8x30E2 may be numbered….<br /><br />Peter</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/reply?quote=4587733" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this message" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/posts/4587733/quote">Reply</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post js-inlineModContainer " data-author="chill6x6" data-content="post-4587793" id="js-post-4587793" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/posts/4587793/"> <meta itemprop="parentItem" itemscope itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/" /> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-4587793"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section class="message-user" itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/members/chill6x6.130888/"> <meta itemprop="url" content="https://www.birdforum.net/members/chill6x6.130888/" /> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <a href="/members/chill6x6.130888/" class="avatar avatar--m" data-user-id="130888" data-xf-init="member-tooltip"> <img src="/data/avatars/m/130/130888.jpg?1605896827" alt="chill6x6" class="avatar-u130888-m" width="96" height="96" loading="lazy" itemprop="image" /> </a> </div> </div> <div class="message-userDetails"> <h4 class="message-name"><a href="/members/chill6x6.130888/" class="username " dir="auto" data-user-id="130888" data-xf-init="member-tooltip"><span itemprop="name">chill6x6</span></a></h4> <h5 class="userTitle message-userTitle" dir="auto" itemprop="jobTitle">Registered User</h5> <div class="userBanner userBanner--supporter message-userBanner" itemprop="jobTitle"><span class="userBanner-before"></span><strong>Supporter</strong><span class="userBanner-after"></span></div> </div> <span class="message-userArrow"></span> </section> </div> <div class="message-cell message-cell--main"> <div class="message-main js-quickEditTarget"> <header class="message-attribution message-attribution--split"> <ul class="message-attribution-main listInline "> <li class="u-concealed"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/post-4587793" rel="nofollow" itemprop="url"> <time class="u-dt" dir="auto" datetime="2024-01-29T14:19:09+0000" data-time="1706537949" data-date-string="Jan 29, 2024" data-time-string="2:19 PM" title="Jan 29, 2024 at 2:19 PM" itemprop="datePublished">Jan 29, 2024</time> </a> </li> </ul> <ul class="message-attribution-opposite message-attribution-opposite--list "> <li> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/post-4587793" class="message-attribution-gadget" data-xf-init="share-tooltip" data-href="/posts/4587793/share" aria-label="Share" rel="nofollow"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-share-alt" aria-hidden="true"></i> </a> </li> <li> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/post-4587793" rel="nofollow"> #7 </a> </li> </ul> </header> <div class="message-content js-messageContent"> <div class="message-userContent lbContainer js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-4587793" data-lb-caption-desc="chill6x6 · Jan 29, 2024 at 2:19 PM"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper">Anyone seen Charles lately? 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The member who brought it to our attention on CN cannot provide us with any pertinent info . I have an extremely hard time believing that this Skyrover at 1/10 the cost of an NL can provide the same performance of an NL . $350 does not buy you an alpha level binocular although it can get you a nice bin for the money .<br />The hype attached to this reminds me of when Oberwerk came out with the SE's <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite11" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="4" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set 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data-lb-id="post-4587883" data-lb-caption-desc="exup · Jan 29, 2024 at 6:13 PM"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 139299" data-quote="Patudo" data-source="post: 4587878" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=4587878" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4587878">Patudo said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Would the Sky Rover mentioned in the Cloudynights post be the same manufacturer as the Sky Rover (United Optics of Kunming, PRC) whose 10x50 individual focus porro - which appears to be a clone of the Fujinon FMT - received a pretty positive review by Holger Merlitz here? <a href="http://www.holgermerlitz.de/fuji_rover_10x50.html" target="_blank" class="link 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Seems all rather positive. The price would be more like 500€/$ btw, not 350. And if that bino was made in Europe, my guess would be that it would reach 1,000€ easily. So reaching Meopta Meopro territory. I hadn't planned on getting another MiC bino but it seems still rather interesting. I'd love to see some more serious testing (<a href="https://www.birdforum.net/members/82596/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="82596" data-username="@Gijs van Ginkel">@Gijs van Ginkel</a> ?), once it might become available in Europe, maybe through APM, teleskop-express or other sellers. What would be most interesting would be someone getting one, taking it to a Swarovski facility for them to take apart and analyze to see if it is in any way reverse-engineered.<br /> <div> <a href="https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/911776-sky-rover-8x42-apo-banner-cloud-91%C2%B0-fov/" class="link link--external" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cloudynights.com%2Ftopic%2F911776-sky-rover-8x42-apo-banner-cloud-91%25C2%25B0-fov%2F&hash=30d590d4da396e0b078e529f41c1b1bd"> https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/911776-sky-rover-8x42-apo-banner-cloud-91%C2%B0-fov/ </a> </div></div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="1" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> 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class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=4598610" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4598610">Binocollector said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Member "Milos1977" on CN has also posted about it, since he received his. Seems all rather positive. The price would be more like 500€/$ btw, not 350. And if that bino was made in Europe, my guess would be that it would reach 1,000€ easily. So reaching Meopta Meopro territory. I hadn't planned on getting another MiC bino but it seems still rather interesting. I'd love to see some more serious testing (<a href="https://www.birdforum.net/members/82596/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="82596" data-username="@Gijs van Ginkel">@Gijs van Ginkel</a> ?), once it might become available in Europe, maybe through APM, teleskop-express or other sellers. What would be most interesting would be someone getting one, taking it to a Swarovski facility for them to take apart and analyze to see if it is in any way reverse-engineered.<br /> <div> <a href="https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/911776-sky-rover-8x42-apo-banner-cloud-91%C2%B0-fov/" class="link link--external" target="_blank" rel="nofollow ugc noopener" data-proxy-href="/proxy.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cloudynights.com%2Ftopic%2F911776-sky-rover-8x42-apo-banner-cloud-91%25C2%25B0-fov%2F&hash=30d590d4da396e0b078e529f41c1b1bd"> https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/911776-sky-rover-8x42-apo-banner-cloud-91%C2%B0-fov/ </a> </div> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div></blockquote>A quote from Milos1977 from CN . The quote was when the buzz on this bin was in it's infancy .<br /><br /><br />" Swarovski 8x and 10x42 NL pure are $3500. These are $350. The same specs including close focus, eye relief, weight, FOV, diopter correction and adjustment. <br />TEN TIMES less expensive has to be record in clone binoculars so far. Still, no harm in keeping an eye on these <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />, specially if they become backed by one of the well known brands we mentioned already in this thread. 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The quote was when the buzz on this bin was in it's infancy .<br /><br /><br />" Swarovski 8x and 10x42 NL pure are $3500. These are $350. The same specs including close focus, eye relief, weight, FOV, diopter correction and adjustment.<br />TEN TIMES less expensive has to be record in clone binoculars so far. Still, no harm in keeping an eye on these <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />, specially if they become backed by one of the well known brands we mentioned already in this thread. " </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div></blockquote>He has since received them and written about his first impressions in the thread I linked.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="0" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/reply?quote=4599108" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this message" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/posts/4599108/quote">Reply</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList "> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post js-inlineModContainer " data-author="albie..." data-content="post-4599124" id="js-post-4599124" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/posts/4599124/"> <meta itemprop="parentItem" itemscope itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/" /> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-4599124"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section class="message-user" itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/members/albie.145166/"> <meta itemprop="url" content="https://www.birdforum.net/members/albie.145166/" /> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <a href="/members/albie.145166/" class="avatar avatar--m avatar--default avatar--default--dynamic" data-user-id="145166" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" style="background-color: #999966; color: #2e2e1f"> <span class="avatar-u145166-m" role="img" aria-label="albie...">A</span> </a> </div> </div> <div class="message-userDetails"> <h4 class="message-name"><a href="/members/albie.145166/" class="username " dir="auto" data-user-id="145166" data-xf-init="member-tooltip"><span itemprop="name">albie...</span></a></h4> <h5 class="userTitle message-userTitle" dir="auto" itemprop="jobTitle">Well-known member</h5> </div> <span class="message-userArrow"></span> </section> </div> <div class="message-cell message-cell--main"> <div class="message-main js-quickEditTarget"> <header class="message-attribution message-attribution--split"> <ul class="message-attribution-main listInline "> <li class="u-concealed"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/post-4599124" rel="nofollow" itemprop="url"> <time class="u-dt" dir="auto" datetime="2024-02-24T13:06:48+0000" data-time="1708780008" data-date-string="Feb 24, 2024" data-time-string="1:06 PM" title="Feb 24, 2024 at 1:06 PM" itemprop="datePublished">Feb 24, 2024</time> </a> </li> </ul> <ul class="message-attribution-opposite message-attribution-opposite--list "> <li> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/post-4599124" class="message-attribution-gadget" data-xf-init="share-tooltip" data-href="/posts/4599124/share" aria-label="Share" rel="nofollow"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-share-alt" aria-hidden="true"></i> </a> </li> <li> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/post-4599124" rel="nofollow"> #16 </a> </li> </ul> </header> <div class="message-content js-messageContent"> <div class="message-userContent lbContainer js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-4599124" data-lb-caption-desc="albie... · Feb 24, 2024 at 1:06 PM"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper"><blockquote data-attributes="member: 166816" data-quote="Binocollector" data-source="post: 4599108" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> <a href="/goto/post?id=4599108" class="bbCodeBlock-sourceJump" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="attribution" data-content-selector="#post-4599108">Binocollector said:</a> </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> He has since received them and written about his first impressions in the thread I linked. </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div></blockquote>I have been following the Skyrover buzz since it's beginning , it's very entertaining . It would be fantastic if you could buy an "alpha" binocular for a fraction of what an "alpha" bin costs but I myself have a hard time believing it to be so . I would be more inclined to believe that perhaps the Skyrover is more of a class leader than a NL Pure crusher .</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="1" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/reply?quote=4599124" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this message" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/posts/4599124/quote">Reply</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList is-active"> <ul class="reactionSummary"> <li><span class="reaction reaction--small reaction--1" data-reaction-id="1"><i aria-hidden="true"></i><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="reaction-sprite js-reaction" alt="Like" title="Like" /></span></li> </ul> <span class="u-srOnly">Reactions:</span><a class="reactionsBar-link" href="/posts/4599124/reactions" data-xf-click="overlay" data-cache="false" rel="nofollow"><bdi>w.travis</bdi></a> </div> <div class="js-historyTarget message-historyTarget toggleTarget" data-href="trigger-href"></div> </footer> </div> </div> </div> </article> <article class="message message--post js-post js-inlineModContainer " data-author="Binocollector" data-content="post-4599188" id="js-post-4599188" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Comment" itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/posts/4599188/"> <meta itemprop="parentItem" itemscope itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/" /> <span class="u-anchorTarget" id="post-4599188"></span> <div class="message-inner"> <div class="message-cell message-cell--user"> <section class="message-user" itemprop="author" itemscope itemtype="https://schema.org/Person" itemid="https://www.birdforum.net/members/binocollector.166816/"> <meta itemprop="url" content="https://www.birdforum.net/members/binocollector.166816/" /> <div class="message-avatar "> <div class="message-avatar-wrapper"> <a href="/members/binocollector.166816/" class="avatar avatar--m avatar--default avatar--default--dynamic" data-user-id="166816" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" style="background-color: #3333cc; color: #c2c2f0"> <span class="avatar-u166816-m" role="img" aria-label="Binocollector">B</span> </a> </div> </div> <div class="message-userDetails"> <h4 class="message-name"><a href="/members/binocollector.166816/" class="username " dir="auto" data-user-id="166816" data-xf-init="member-tooltip"><span itemprop="name">Binocollector</span></a></h4> <h5 class="userTitle message-userTitle" dir="auto" itemprop="jobTitle">Well-known member</h5> </div> <div class="message-userExtras"> <img src="/styles/images/flags/germany.gif" alt="Germany" title="Germany" class="flag" data-xf-init="tooltip"> </div> <span class="message-userArrow"></span> </section> </div> <div class="message-cell message-cell--main"> <div class="message-main js-quickEditTarget"> <header class="message-attribution message-attribution--split"> <ul class="message-attribution-main listInline "> <li class="u-concealed"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/post-4599188" rel="nofollow" itemprop="url"> <time class="u-dt" dir="auto" datetime="2024-02-24T16:17:22+0000" data-time="1708791442" data-date-string="Feb 24, 2024" data-time-string="4:17 PM" title="Feb 24, 2024 at 4:17 PM" itemprop="datePublished">Feb 24, 2024</time> </a> </li> </ul> <ul class="message-attribution-opposite message-attribution-opposite--list "> <li> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/post-4599188" class="message-attribution-gadget" data-xf-init="share-tooltip" data-href="/posts/4599188/share" aria-label="Share" rel="nofollow"> <i class="fa--xf far fa-share-alt" aria-hidden="true"></i> </a> </li> <li> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/post-4599188" rel="nofollow"> #17 </a> </li> </ul> </header> <div class="message-content js-messageContent"> <div class="message-userContent lbContainer js-lbContainer " data-lb-id="post-4599188" data-lb-caption-desc="Binocollector · Feb 24, 2024 at 4:17 PM"> <article class="message-body js-selectToQuote"> <div itemprop="text"> <div class="bbWrapper"><a href="https://www.birdforum.net/members/145166/" class="username" data-xf-init="member-tooltip" data-user-id="145166" data-username="@albie...">@albie...</a> <br />I fully agree. I'll believe it as soon as there has been some proper testing done. Not some overly enthusiastic first impressions. 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It would be fantastic if you could buy an "alpha" binocular for a fraction of what an "alpha" bin costs but I myself have a hard time believing it to be so . I would be more inclined to believe that perhaps the Skyrover is more of a class leader than a NL Pure crusher . </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandLink js-expandLink"><a role="button" tabindex="0">Click to expand...</a></div> </div></blockquote>Why is it so hard to believe that a China sourced ? …. could produce a China Alpha binocular so close in Quality to a European brand ? . Just look at the labor/manufacturing cost differences not to mention how competitive China has become in producing nice quality optics this last decade alone. Not to offend any owners of the mentioned clone brand but to be honest, they are grossly overpriced. Take decades of large budgets for sales advertising from a household name for example “ Swarovski “ and we end up where we are now.</div> </div> <div class="js-selectToQuoteEnd"> </div> </article> </div> </div> <footer class="message-footer"> <div class="message-microdata" itemprop="interactionStatistic" itemtype="https://schema.org/InteractionCounter" itemscope> <meta itemprop="userInteractionCount" content="1" /> <meta itemprop="interactionType" content="https://schema.org/LikeAction" /> </div> <div class="message-actionBar actionBar"> <div class="actionBar-set actionBar-set--external"> <a href="/threads/perhaps-another-game-changer.451987/reply?quote=4599366" class="actionBar-action actionBar-action--reply" title="Reply, quoting this message" rel="nofollow" data-xf-click="quote" data-quote-href="/posts/4599366/quote">Reply</a> </div> </div> <div class="reactionsBar js-reactionsList is-active"> <ul class="reactionSummary"> <li><span class="reaction reaction--small reaction--1" 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